Is anyone else meh about suppressors?
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Ok so I agree that prices will not drop right away. I don't think I ever said they would. None of what I said was directed at you or what you do.
DoglegArms
Silencer Dealer of 2015, 2016, 2017
This isn't my fulltime job and it's not my trade. I understand what you all are saying and I'm saying deregulation will not bring prices down immediately or significantly. Over time, yes prices will come down. I'm trying to give you all insight so take it or leave it, I can invest my time somewhere else.
No offense man, and I love ya like a brotha from anotha motha, but I disagree with the outsourcing/machine/maintenance/labor/material cost comment. Everything made in the US can be made in China these days for a pittance, and rapidly.
Even if we were talking about producing an item requiring microns of variance, it could still be made in a Chinese sweat shop faster and cheaper, the only delay is that long boat ride to the US and clearing Customs before it hit the shelves 100,000 units at a time .....
No offense man, and I love ya like a brotha from anotha motha, but I disagree with the outsourcing/machine/maintenance/labor/material cost comment. Everything made in the US can be made in China these days for a pittance, and rapidly.
Even if we were talking about producing an item requiring microns of variance, it could still be made in a Chinese sweat shop faster and cheaper, the only delay is that long boat ride to the US and clearing Customs before it hit the shelves 100,000 units at a time .....
You love everybody's brother...we are talking about suppressors around these parts!
ARC22 quality cans were still $75-100 in France (totally de-regulated) back in 2005. In today's money that's about $122. There were centerfire suppressors on the shelf as well, all for sale with the same amount of paperwork as a candy bar. $250-$500 It's about the same.
Seriously it's not personal. What insight do you have that we are not understanding?
Hey, just buy one of those solvent traps that the georgia gun trader guys on facebook all use.
DoglegArms
Silencer Dealer of 2015, 2016, 2017
Am I dying and no one told me?!! Take the kid gloves off man. You know I'm Asian right? Have you ever outsourced something to China? And I'm not talking about Alibaba. Unless you're talking about the grey market, it's not a fast process.No offense man, and I love ya like a brotha from anotha motha, but I disagree with the outsourcing/machine/maintenance/labor/material cost comment. Everything made in the US can be made in China these days for a pittance, and rapidly.
Even if we were talking about producing an item requiring microns of variance, it could still be made in a Chinese sweat shop faster and cheaper, the only delay is that long boat ride to the US and clearing Customs before it hit the shelves 100,000 units at a time .....
Even if silencers were removed from being a Title 2 firearm, they would almost certainly still be considered a firearm and subject to importation process and regulations of the ATF. All this stuff takes time.
WIth manufacturers like Sig, Ruger, and AAC (arnt they owned by freedom group now?), they should have enough capital already to relatively quickly start mass production and keep prices reasonably low. It would suck for the small companies but if they were deregulated I suspect that the larger companies would start spitting them out as fast as they could as well as keep prices on the downward slide.
Yes, I've dealt with the Hong Kong market, actually worked for Cathay Pacific and spent a couple years in Asia (Kowloon Bay, etc, etc) ..... yeah, I know how it works. But again, not trying to shit in your Cheerios, I just have a varying opinion on this one
By the way, thanks for doing me right with fast shipping on my last order, much appreciated!
the US is a much larger market. A lot of people in Europe shoot lesser quality cans which can be had very cheap. There are many .22 cans under $50. I don't know of anyone anywhere close to that price in the US regardless of quality. This is an example from a quick Google search. http://www.armurerie-francaise.com/silencieux-still-n-3.html
DoglegArms
Silencer Dealer of 2015, 2016, 2017
Yes, I've dealt with the Hong Kong market, actually worked for Cathay Pacific and spent a couple years in Asia (Kowloon Bay, etc, etc) ..... yeah, I know how it works. But again, not trying to shit in your Cheerios, I just have a varying opinion on this one
By the way, thanks for doing me right with fast shipping on my last order, much appreciated!
I'm not arguing with you anyway. There's no point b/c you won't ever concede
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DoglegArms
Silencer Dealer of 2015, 2016, 2017
Shiiiiiit, I'll be the first one to say I'm wrong if that's the case; I have no issue being proven wrong, nobody's perfect. I just have a little background on this subject and I've seen some basic napkin-level blueprints go to production inside of 3 months in HKG and hit the US market within 60 days after that.I'm not arguing with you anyway. There's no point b/c you won't ever concede.
In any event, I fully support US manufacturing to keep jobs here in the US, I also feel quality standard can be MAINTAINED within the US much more than overseas, but, to be honest as well as practical, I have to concede that sweat shops can do a similar job for cheaper.
Sorry bud
DoglegArms
Silencer Dealer of 2015, 2016, 2017
The cost of manf a can and raw materials. The cost of manf taxes. Silencers will always legally be a firearm. Even if removed from being a Title 2 firearm, it will be a Title 1 firearm and subject to ATF regs and ITAR.
If suppressors weren't regulated, I imagine we'd see them in blister packs hanging beside the $20 Tasco scopes at Walmart. Cheap thermoplastic things that you would use for a few hundred rounds and then trash them. Real hearing protection devices that everybody could use.
And for this BS assassin argument, knives are truly quiet.
And for this BS assassin argument, knives are truly quiet.