Wilson Combat Beretta 92G Brigadier

[cmshoot]

I agree that inert primers rarely happen with quality factory loads. Russian steel-cased ammo hardly qualifies as quality factory loads. If the dud round is chambered in at least 3 different handguns (a selection from Glock/HK/SIG/Beretta/FN) and it refuses to fire, it is an inert primer and not a case of a light strike. Additionally, I know the appearance of a light strike vs a good strike on a bad primer. The testing protocol I was involved in was quite stringent in that regards.

You name a handgun manufacturer and I've seen more than one break down in my classes: Glock's, HK's, SIG's, Beretta's, FN's, etc. ANY manmade handgun is fallible. In 25 years as a Firearms Instructor, and an Armorer for every manufacturer mentioned in this thread so far, I have not noticed any single quality company mentioned so far to be appreciably more reliable than any other. I wouldn't hesitate to carry and use any of the gun companies mentioned, and pretty much have.

One ain't any better than the other and anyone that says so is trying to sell you something. Instead, buy the one that has the features that are important to YOU. Train with it and learn its good points and, more importantly, it's bad points. Everyone one of the systems has its bad points, so you'd better know them.

I'm not a "fan boy" for any specific manufacturer. Like I said, they all have their pros and cons. I use what I use because they are what works for ME. That doesn't mean they are necessarily what I may recommend to others. Gotta be realistic.

 

[Jake]

I agree that inert primers rarely happen with quality factory loads. Russian steel-cased ammo hardly qualifies as quality factory loads. If the dud round is chambered in at least 3 different handguns (a selection from Glock/HK/SIG/Beretta/FN) and it refuses to fire, it is an inert primer and not a case of a light strike. Additionally, I know the appearance of a light strike vs a good strike on a bad primer. The testing protocol I was involved in was quite stringent in that regards.

You name a handgun manufacturer and I've seen more than one break down in my classes: Glock's, HK's, SIG's, Beretta's, FN's, etc. ANY manmade handgun is fallible. In 25 years as a Firearms Instructor, and an Armorer for every manufacturer mentioned in this thread so far, I have not noticed any single quality company mentioned so far to be appreciably more reliable than any other. I wouldn't hesitate to carry and use any of the gun companies mentioned, and pretty much have.

One ain't any better than the other and anyone that says so is trying to sell you something. Instead, buy the one that has the features that are important to YOU. Train with it and learn its good points and, more importantly, it's bad points. Everyone one of the systems has its bad points, so you'd better know them.

I'm not a "fan boy" for any specific manufacturer. Like I said, they all have their pros and cons. I use what I use because they are what works for ME. That doesn't mean they are necessarily what I may recommend to others. Gotta be realistic.

You obviously don't know who you're dealing with here.

 

[oio]

I am calling shenanigans. Again, let's see some pics of the inside of that HK.

I'm betting that the inside of that gun still looks brand new just like the outside does.

No, not even close to new. The newest thing about it is the o-ring on the barrel (on the 2nd one so far)

 

[oio]

I agree that inert primers rarely happen with quality factory loads. Russian steel-cased ammo hardly qualifies as quality factory loads. If the dud round is chambered in at least 3 different handguns (a selection from Glock/HK/SIG/Beretta/FN) and it refuses to fire, it is an inert primer and not a case of a light strike. Additionally, I know the appearance of a light strike vs a good strike on a bad primer. The testing protocol I was involved in was quite stringent in that regards.

You name a handgun manufacturer and I've seen more than one break down in my classes: Glock's, HK's, SIG's, Beretta's, FN's, etc. ANY manmade handgun is fallible. In 25 years as a Firearms Instructor, and an Armorer for every manufacturer mentioned in this thread so far, I have not noticed any single quality company mentioned so far to be appreciably more reliable than any other. I wouldn't hesitate to carry and use any of the gun companies mentioned, and pretty much have.

One ain't any better than the other and anyone that says so is trying to sell you something. Instead, buy the one that has the features that are important to YOU. Train with it and learn its good points and, more importantly, it's bad points. Everyone one of the systems has its bad points, so you'd better know them.

I'm not a "fan boy" for any specific manufacturer. Like I said, they all have their pros and cons. I use what I use because they are what works for ME. That doesn't mean they are necessarily what I may recommend to others. Gotta be realistic.

Sure, let me rephrase: overall I prefer HK for reasons given. I guess I'm a fanboy of what works best for ME.

 

[ReservoirDawg10]

HK's have stellar barrels.

Sure, let me rephrase: overall I prefer HK for reasons given. I guess I'm a fanboy of what works best for ME.

I will say this, no one can accuse you of not lubing your firearms. Jeeeezus.

An why is this turning into HK vs Beretta?

 

[oio]

HK's have stellar barrels.


I will say this, no one can accuse you of not lubing your firearms. Jeeeezus.

An why is this turning into HK vs Beretta?

Yes, I do not go lightly with the lube.
My apologizes, got off topic

 

[cmshoot]

Yes, I do not go lightly with the lube.
My apologizes, got off topic

I don't go lightly with lube, either! I've never seen a weapon malfunction due to too much lube. I have seen the reverse, though.

Even looks like we may be using the same grease. Mobil 1 synthetic automotive grease?

 

[cmshoot]

HK's have stellar barrels.


I will say this, no one can accuse you of not lubing your firearms. Jeeeezus.

An why is this turning into HK vs Beretta?

I'm not arguing in favor of one manufacturer over the other. Quite the contrary, I'm saying that the handguns from the "top" manufacturers are all comparably reliable and you should buy the one that has the features you like best.

I've participated in too many firearms and ammo tests to be a fan of them or the data they churn out. I've never seen a test that follows any proven, scientific method or criteria. For instance, not enough of each model of firearm is tested. Too easy to get a lemon, or a ringer. A minimum of 100 firearms of the exact same model would have to be tested. Ammunition type/brand is usually fairly limited, and you can't rule out human error, e.g., shooter induced malfunctions.

Military trials come the closest to a scientific method, mainly because they require a large number of samples to be submitted for testing. Still, they usually restrict the ammo used to 1 specific load, and the human factor is still present.

Anyways, can we get back on track and make pretty comments on my new Beretta? Folks wanna comment on their gun, they can make their own threads! LOL

 

[oio]

I don't go lightly with lube, either! I've never seen a weapon malfunction due to too much lube. I have seen the reverse, though.

Even looks like we may be using the same grease. Mobil 1 synthetic automotive grease?

No, Redline synthetic high Moly assembly lube.
It's light and very effective, thins out just enough at higher temps

 

[cmshoot]

Got about 1,200rds of mostly ball ammo out of the Beretta so far. The rest of the ammo was Speer Gold Dot 124grn +P, just because I have several free 50 boxes lying around.

That's still a low round count, but no stoppages or malfunctions. Most of the shooting was done at under 25yds, but I have shot her on some steel out to 100yds. She's very accurate, and I don't need to put a rubber O-ring around the barrel to get her there! LOL

Spoke to Blackpoint Tactical a while back and they'll do the 2 rigs I need for her, but I haven't had a chance to drive to Alpharetta to have her fitted.

 

[AtlMedic]

Got about 1,200rds of mostly ball ammo out of the Beretta so far. The rest of the ammo was Speer Gold Dot 124grn +P, just because I have several free 50 boxes lying around.

That's still a low round count, but no stoppages or malfunctions. Most of the shooting was done at under 25yds, but I have shot her on some steel out to 100yds. She's very accurate, and I don't need to put a rubber O-ring around the barrel to get her there! LOL

Spoke to Blackpoint Tactical a while back and they'll do the 2 rigs I need for her, but I haven't had a chance to drive to Alpharetta to have her fitted.

Out of curiosity. How has the finish on the barrel handled the round count? I'm not one to give a fuck about wear on guns but it's more out of curiosity.

 

[cmshoot]

Out of curiosity. How has the finish on the barrel handled the round count? I'm not one to give a fuck about wear on guns but it's more out of curiosity.

Ain't getting shiny yet, but it will eventually.