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I.D.-ten-T said:
Thanks a bunch! I'll read the links posted to try figure out a bit more, but as @Grunk said, this at least gets me started.
I'm sure there are a ton of tiny things that are not compatible from one type to the next, and that's where the really hard part is - knowing which parts work in which model.

As far as AR types go, it's pretty much plug-n-play with the 5.56 since they all are based off 'Mil-Spec', and as long as you're not trying to do something relatively complicated like adding a piston system or changing calibers, a simple AR is easy to build. I'd never owned one when I built my first using parts I got on the interwebz and a YT vid for instructions. Still have it, I've upgraded it a few times (better barrel, trigger, scope) and it works great. Grunk has the second one I built, and it's never given either of us any trouble. High performance ARs can be a bit more work, same for different calibers and can-ready folding pistols like mine, but it's just a bit of research. The .308AR is another story. No 'Mil-spec' to rely on, and many different platforms that aren't exactly compatible, and many parts sellers out there that don't understand the differences. Building one from an 80% is yet another level of challenge, but I enjoyed it.
Feel free to ask me anything about it, I'll tell ya' if I know, and won't BS you if I don't.
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A little more info to further scramble your brain. In America every AK/AKM patterned rifle is called an "AK".....most are AKM stamped receiver types. When it comes to the OG AK the true AKs were produced in Russia from 1947 until 1959 and included the Type 1 (early stamped receiver version discontinued because of production/reliability problems) , Type 2 (the first and rarest of the milled recievers produced from 1951-54) and the Type 3 (most common of the milled variants).

Type 1 (Early Stamped Receiver)
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Type 2 (note the stock metal ferrule and receiver lightning cut top is parallel to the top of the receiver)
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Type 3 (note the lack of stock ferrule and bottom of the lightning cut is parallel to the bottom of the receiver)
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1959 was the first year of the AKM.....M for "modernizírovanny " = Modernized. They were characterized by a return to the stamped receiver and major changes to the front end of the rifle (all made in order to reduce weight and speed/reduce cost of production). Here is a good front end pictorial to use to quickly discern the two.

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The only nations to produce an exact AKM pattern rifle were Russia, Poland, Egypt, Romania, and E. Germany.
Hungary, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Albania, North Korea and China all built AKM type stamped receiver rifles but they have one or more AK parts still used. The Chinese AK's have AK type barrels/gas block-tube/front sight tower, The Hungarian AK's (after switching to more AKM type production after ditching the AMD) retained the AK gas block/tube...the Yugoslavian AK have several unique features all their own.

Then there is commercial production AK/AKMs, all the American made variants and the Type 100 series AKs (Saiga and Aresenal) and demilled milspec kit builds using the parts the builder deems most important to him. The possibilities are endless it seems.
 
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CQB27 said:
A little more info to further scramble your brain. In America every AK/AKM patterned rifle is called an "AK".....most are AKM stamped receiver types. When it comes to the OG AK the true AKs were produced in Russia from 1947 until 1959 and included the Type 1 (early stamped receiver version discontinued because of production/reliability problems) , Type 2 (the first and rarest of the milled recievers produced from 1951-54) and the Type 3 (most common of the milled variants).

Type 1 (Early Stamped Receiver)
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Type 2 (note the stock metal ferrule and receiver lightning cut top is parallel to the top of the receiver)
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Type 3 (note the lack of stock ferrule and bottom of the lightning cut is parallel to the bottom of the receiver)
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1959 was the first year of the AKM.....M for "modernizírovanny " = Modernized. They were characterized by a return to the stamped receiver and major changes to the front end of the rifle (all made in order to reduce weight and speed/reduce cost of production). Here is a good front end pictorial to use to quickly discern the two.

View attachment 55936

The only nations to produce an exact AKM pattern rifle were Russia, Poland, Egypt, Romania, and E. Germany.
Hungary, Yugoslavia, Albania and China all built AKM type stamped receiver rifles but they have one or more AK parts still used. The Chinese AK's have AK type barrels/gas block-tube/front sight tower, The Hungarian AK's (after switching to more AKM type production after ditching the AMD) retained the AK gas block/tube...the Yugoslavian AK have several unique features all their own.

Then there is the Commercial production AK/AKMs, all the American made variants and the Type 100 series AKs (Saiga and Aresenal) and demilled milspec kit builds using the parts the builder deems most important to him. The possibilities are endless it seems.
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Yep. Series 100 has a 90 degree gas block (ala AK74) vs 45 on AK and AKM, the most obvious external feature. Thin stem bolt is another, not so obvious.

The easist to buy current clone of AKM would be Fox, by WBP.

PS Hungarians were the only ones to use a fluted round firing pin, vs flat style, as far as I know.
 
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CQB27 said:
A little more info to further scramble your brain. In America every AK/AKM patterned rifle is called an "AK".....most are AKM stamped receiver types. When it comes to the OG AK the true AKs were produced in Russia from 1947 until 1959 and included the Type 1 (early stamped receiver version discontinued because of production/reliability problems) , Type 2 (the first and rarest of the milled recievers produced from 1951-54) and the Type 3 (most common of the milled variants).

Type 1 (Early Stamped Receiver)
View attachment 55939


Type 2 (note the stock metal ferrule and receiver lightning cut top is parallel to the top of the receiver)
View attachment 55940

Type 3 (note the lack of stock ferrule and bottom of the lightning cut is parallel to the bottom of the receiver)
View attachment 55941






1959 was the first year of the AKM.....M for "modernizírovanny " = Modernized. They were characterized by a return to the stamped receiver and major changes to the front end of the rifle (all made in order to reduce weight and speed/reduce cost of production). Here is a good front end pictorial to use to quickly discern the two.

View attachment 55936

The only nations to produce an exact AKM pattern rifle were Russia, Poland, Egypt, Romania, and E. Germany.
Hungary, Yugoslavia, Albania and China all built AKM type stamped receiver rifles but they have one or more AK parts still used. The Chinese AK's have AK type barrels/gas block-tube/front sight tower, The Hungarian AK's (after switching to more AKM type production after ditching the AMD) retained the AK gas block/tube...the Yugoslavian AK have several unique features all their own.

Then there is commercial production AK/AKMs, all the American made variants and the Type 100 series AKs (Saiga and Aresenal) and demilled milspec kit builds using the parts the builder deems most important to him. The possibilities are endless it seems.
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That Type 1 is sick, sick, sick! Piece of art.
 
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Jeddak said:
Yep. Series 100 has a 90 degree gas block (ala AK74) vs 45 on AK and AKM, the most obvious feature.
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And Arsenal produced the AK 107R......an AK74 patterned rifle in AK/AKM 7.62x39 with a AK type front sight......capturing a feature from every AK from the Type 1 to the 74......LOL. The more I think of it the more I come to the conclusion that any standardized feature specific to any type, outside of military weapons produced in their respective motherland's, is about impossible to nail down.
 
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Jeddak said:
The easist to buy current clone of AKM would be Fox, by WBP.
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100% correct! If you want a clone closest to a Motherland Original this is the way to go!


Of course you could find a SAR-1 or non MISR Maddi and de-ban it with a NOS gas block and front sight and a barrel thread and get there too.....but it will cost more for sure. Here is my SAR-1 de-banned clone, hot blued wearing some polish laminate and a Russian sling. 3 out of the 5 AKM producing nations, lol. Can't help it, I really like the Polish laminate wood and Russian slings.

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CQB27 said:
And Arsenal produced the AK 107R......an AK74 patterned rifle in AK/AKM 7.62x39 with a AK type front sight......capturing a feature from every AK from the Type 1 to the 74......LOL. The more I think of it the more I come to the conclusion that any standardized feature specific to any type, outside of military weapons produced in their respective motherland's, is about impossible to nail down.
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107fr has AK74 24mm front threads and spring loaded firing pin, IIRC. And series 100 side folder.
 
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