Yeah, I suppose what I don't agree with is that a person in the United States can NOT break a law, and end up in jail because of what the ATF (or any department) thinks about what that person did... Did he have ill intentions, probably. Did he break a law, no. And the dumbass users that DID break the law aren't in jail lol. Thats what really gets me.
If you play stupid games with the ATF, you win stupid prizes.
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So anyone who has a fleshlight has a unregistered silencer ? Thats cool! And it was only $50.00 bucks!! The next time I go to the range, I'll put it on the end of my AR... And see how well it dose.
Are you sure? Are you sure they didn't submit a sample to the ATF? The initial ruling declared it to be an "arm brace" and not illegal to shoulder. It wasn't until 2015 that they amended the ruling.
According to the atf, a silencer is any device that reduces was designed for OR re-designed for diminishing the report of a firearm. Slap it on the end of your rifle, and you've committed a felony.So anyone who has a fleshlight has a unregistered silencer ? Thats cool! And it was only $50.00 bucks!! The next time I go to the range, I'll put it on the end of my AR... And see how well it dose.
Well you buy what this guy was offering and adapt it to your pleasure device and you have a undocumented suppressor.So anyone who has a fleshlight has a unregistered silencer ? Thats cool! And it was only $50.00 bucks!! The next time I go to the range, I'll put it on the end of my AR... And see how well it dose.
I feel that the atf is just trying to make an example of this guy. Was dude in the wrong? It is a grey area. Should he have produced this item? Probably not and definitely not after the first time he got in trouble for it.
No, not 100%. I believe the first one wasnt approved prior to manufacturing and sailing it though.
Yeah being that he was told once not to do that shit makes him fully retarded.
This jackass knew what he was doing. Do I agree with the law? No. But just because I don't agree with certain laws doesn't mean that I won't follow them. This is the 2nd time that he has gotten in trouble with the ATF for the same thing. Hence the title of this thread.
Number 3 and 4 is what really makes me not feel sorry for this guy. Number 1 is kinda common sense but I don't think it really proves anything and number 2 is just speculation.
So would anybody's muzzles brakes. Sticking with this reasoning, anyone with a muzzle brake could be breaking the law. Drop a couple into a tube, weld the end shut, and voila!
I gotta admit, I want to see someone shoot a fleshlight off the end of their AR-15...
He sold a couple of hundred of these and advertised that they fit perfectly in a specific sized tubing. He had already been arrested and charged once before and was on probation for the same thing. Dude knew what he was doing and basically gave ATF the finger.
Sig didn't design their brace. Another smaller start up company did. That company got it approved and then Sig bought it.
And Sig already tried the "it's a brake not a silencer" argument. They lost in court. So the precedent was already in place to shut this guy down. The fact that he clearly advertised the intent to use it as a core, with comments about low tone and sized for an outer tube make it pretty obvious what his intent was.
Yes, the NFA is dumb and a 2A infringement. But it's the law of the land. This guy knew it. Got busted once, got off with a slap on the wrist and then did it again. This time, stupid is gonna hurt.
What's worse, is you can bet your ass that every single buyer will get a visit from the ATF.
Thanks for the insight @DarthVader
I bet dude is really regretting his decisions at this point in life.
I bet dude is really regretting his decisions at this point in life.
He primarily was arrested the first time for selling suppressor kits. This 2nd offense could very well have been a part from one of those kits therefore it is illegal.