I hate that and its a down right freagin lie. Civilians are more then capable of owning armor.
Body armor.
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I hate that and its a down right freagin lie. Civilians are more then capable of owning armor.
This was/is their response. Funny I ordered the same plate from another company and it will be here tomorrow. Maybe she is telling the truth. Could be why I could only get one plate from Galls. I just figured it was a California thing. You know how it is with that commie state.
Dana Brody <d.brody@copquest.com>
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Today at 4:41 PM
I apologize for the inconvenience. I will cancel the order now and void the preauthorization on your credit card. This is actually a restriction that is placed on us from the manufacturer and is not within our control. I apologize that we could not provide this item to you.
Thank you,
Dana Brody
CopQuest, Inc., Quality Public Safety Products
365 Camino Carillo | Camarillo, CA 93012
805.388.0707 x111 | Fax: 805.388.0771 | d.brody@CopQuest.com
I think we all have met the gun counter types (not yall at tru-prep, which is why I like yall) that think they are smarter/better/more tacticool/ etc.... then the average person.
This was/is their response. Funny I ordered the same plate from another company and it will be here tomorrow. Maybe she is telling the truth. Could be why I could only get one plate from Galls. I just figured it was a California thing. You know how it is with that commie state.
Dana Brody <d.brody@copquest.com>
To
Today at 4:41 PM
I apologize for the inconvenience. I will cancel the order now and void the preauthorization on your credit card. This is actually a restriction that is placed on us from the manufacturer and is not within our control. I apologize that we could not provide this item to you.
Thank you,
Dana Brody
CopQuest, Inc., Quality Public Safety Products
365 Camino Carillo | Camarillo, CA 93012
805.388.0707 x111 | Fax: 805.388.0771 | d.brody@CopQuest.com
Good thing they aren't getting any of your money then.
I wonder if they would sell to me using my paramedic ID?
You could ask. I would be curious to see. You guys are first responders and you should be issued body armor. You never know what you are going to walk into.
They would probably sell to me using my military ID but I have no interest in supporting them if they are not going to sell to everyone.
I wouldn't give them one penny, But I am going to e-mail them to see if they would.
It is getting to be a new trend in EMS to issue armor to crews. There has also been a recent push for us to enter mass shootings much much sooner then we normally do.
Thanks buddy, I honestly do not feel the need to have any. We get a "ghetto pass", and the only people who mess with us are drunks or psych patients. The average asshole shooting other assholes typically leave us alone because they know we are neutral and many of them have called us before for other random bullshit.
I personally am all for us entering the scenes of mass shootings earlier, It wouldnt save everyone but the wait of sometimes several hours does mean that there are people who would make it if they could get to the hospital, instead they end up bleeding out. With that said, I would need them to issue me a quality plate carrier and some additional training before I will go into those situations.
If they expect you guys to enter an active shooter situation, they should let you go in armed. But you guys didn't sign up to be combat medics. They'd be better off giving some medic training to SWAT team members.
They have SWAT medics. The SWAT medics are there for the SWAT team members if they get hurt. What many are pushing for is for us to enter the "warm zone". The "warm zone" being that the shooter hasn't been found or the building hasn't been deemed 100% safe (cold zone).
For example:
A 5 story office building has an active shooter. SWAT arrives or the first responding officers enter the building to find the shooter. They don't stop for the wounded because they arnt trained and stopping the shooter is a more immediate need. After they clear the first floor, EMS enters the first floor with other officers providing protection and preventing the shooter doubling back to us. We would go in triage the wounded and pull out the wounded that still have a chance while giving basic care like bleeding control.
The way it currently is, would leave those wounded laying there for however long it takes for the police to deem the scene clear for us to enter, which in many cases has taken hours. Someone shot in the leg might hold on for 30-45 minutes depending on how bad it is. A tourniquet, some fluids, etc.... And a quick ride to the hospital and they have a good chance of making t. That same person laying on the floor for 3 hours has a much worse chance of making it.
I personally don't want to be armed at work, I'm not a cop and I don't want to be mistaken for a cop. I want a bright ass blue plate carrier that says "PARAMEDIC" as big as possible in reflective writing so I look as little like a cop as possible in that situation. I think us entering the "warm zone" is great and could save a lot of lives, but it isn't something to do half assed.
Gotcha. I was just thinking about it from the perspective that an active shooter is different than riding in the hood. They're already shooting innocents. And it seems like an unarmed paramedic would make a good target for a deranged lunatic. I agree it sounds like a great idea. But you guys would have to have your tactics really squared away. To someone like me, who has no personal knowledge, it seems like adding medical staff to a SWAT unit and training them to do both jobs might work.
It's been done to varying degrees of success. The problems I've read about are that if they are stopping to treat people then they arnt getting the shooter.
It's also an issue of is it easier to train a cop to be a paramedic or teach a paramedic to do basic swat stuff? My company used to provide swat medics for APD, now atlanta fire does it. Going through the full SWAT school takes significantly less time then going through even EMT training.
So about 12"x16"? Great extra protection and excellent if that's where the bullets hit.
Just my opinion, but I'd rather emphasize on training to respond after taking cover (wearing body armor or not)
Level 4 will stop most readily used calibers if that's where the shooter hits you....while other exposed areas are vulnerable to even a .22lr
Of course. Plates don't make you bullet proof. They simply offer a layer of protection to the most vital organs. If you get hit in an extremity, you might survive, especially if you can apply a TQ or perform some other self aid. But if you take one in the chest, you're probably done for. And you may still be toast if hit elsewhere. But plates offer some protection and *could* mean the difference between going home or getting dead.
First order of business would be to get the hell out of dodge if possible or take hard cover if escape isn't possible.
Just updating everyone including that I meant to say TruPrep a year ago. They still carry AR500 Armor plates and carriers. Ballistic Armor Defense continues to offer valued products and services to the civilian community as well as law enforcement. If you are just looking for basic protection and an affordable price, I'd go with AR500 Armor's Level III plates with a Sentry carrier. That will protect you against all handgun fire and rifle up to .308 and some .556x45 rounds (depending on velocity). This package comes in at around $250 and TruPrep carries it. If you need other type of protection, like concealable or tactical vests or helmets, Ballistic Armor Defense can assist you. www.ballisticarmordefense.com.
So, I checked out the website and looks great. Only comment I have that there is no detail or explanation of the different levels of protection. You will get increased web traffic from posting here and not every one will be knowledgeable. It looks like most everything is level III or IIIA so adding a page describing this would go a long way. Just my $.02 worth.
Love the site and the different options available.
Same set up i have. lvl 4 ESAPI. I use the Eagle Industries LE carrier.