Wilson Combat Beretta 92G Brigadier

Preparedness Depot in Acworth, GA

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Very nice handgun, I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

I'll need to head over to Blackpoint Tactical and have them make me a holster to fit on my Safariland platform. I'd prefer the same Safariland 6377 ALS that I use for all my other handguns (as well as my previous Beretta 92G), but they don't make it for my handgun/light combination.


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Very cool!
That's on my short list.
 

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Very nice! I've been wanting one for a while. They came out with a compact version recently too.
 

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Very nice! I've been wanting one for a while. They came out with a compact version recently too.

Interesting.......I hadn't seen that. A buddy of mine has a 92FS Compact I've tried to get off him for years, but it's his EDC and he won't turn loose of it.
 

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An easy gun to shoot well. With the light, this will be my new bump-in-the-night gun.

I'd like to pick up a 92G Centurion and tune it up as an EDC piece.
 
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I am a lover of the 92 line, but don't particularly enjoy the long travel and reset. Dies WC do something to these or just drop in their trigger?
 

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Had a few 92s, some stock and some with worked triggers, polished, blued, etc.
They can be very nice, but I still prefer others in a large not-easily-concealable handgun.


Currently doing endurance/reliability testing on this. Besides over 6k rds of +p+ it also has had about 20k rds of Russian steel core with zero failures so far. Also with a worked trigger because even the stock match trigger is not good enough..

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Had a few 92s, some stock and some with worked triggers, polished, blued, etc.
They can be very nice, but I still prefer others in a large not-easily-concealable handgun.


Currently doing endurance/reliability testing on this. Besides over 6k rds of +p+ it also has had about 20k rds of Russian steel core with zero failures so far. Also with a worked trigger because even the stock match trigger is not good enough..

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Let's see some barrel pics on that thing.
 

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I'll get some later (don't have it with me)
Still looks excellent from what I remember when cleaning it before I put another 400rds or so through it on Sunday

A barrel with 26,000 rounds through it and it still looks excellent? I'd definitely be interested to see some pics of the guts of that thing.
 

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Had a few 92s, some stock and some with worked triggers, polished, blued, etc.
They can be very nice, but I still prefer others in a large not-easily-concealable handgun.


Currently doing endurance/reliability testing on this. Besides over 6k rds of +p+ it also has had about 20k rds of Russian steel core with zero failures so far. Also with a worked trigger because even the stock match trigger is not good enough..

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The trigger better be worked! DA/SA HK's have the worst triggers, and I hate the ergonomics of the USP series. But, it's America and we've got choices!
 

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26,000 rounds of ammo through a modern pistol barrel, even when using +P+ ammo, isn't anything unusual.

My agency issues the SIG P229 in .357SIG (that's like a +P++, LOL). Once you get approximately 40,000 rounds through your duty gun you're issued a new one. I'm on my 5th so far. At 40,000 rounds they all showed visible evidence of flame-cutting in the fore portion of the bore, but they still shot like a SIG. All of my previous 4 were still as reliable as new when they were turned in for a replacement.
 

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The trigger better be worked! DA/SA HK's have the worst triggers, and I hate the ergonomics of the USP series. But, it's America and we've got choices!
The newer HK series (HK45, P30, P2000, SK, etc) desperately need trigger work, I agree with that.
USP and USPC are better.
Tactical models are better.
Expert, Elite, and Match models even better (and when you work one of these, the result to me anyway, is a near perfect and ultra reliable handgun...by comparison, the only Sigs that come close to meeting that criteria are the German and Swiss models, especially the X5 and X6 models)
I'm surprised the Sigs you are issued are not replaced sooner than 30k-40k rds. (220 and 226 models, correct?)
Obviously any handgun can fail, but I have yet to see a high round count no failure late model Sig while there are hundreds of examples of HKs, Glocks, Walthers, and Berettas.
Maybe I've had bad luck, but I've had many issues and failures with Exeter Sigs, and I refuse to waste my time with them. I gave up on them several years ago. I'm definitely not alone in this opinion as I see more complaints about Sigs than most other gun manufacturers that still ride on their prior quality which is long gone.
 

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The newer HK series (HK45, P30, P2000, SK, etc) desperately need trigger work, I agree with that.
USP and USPC are better.
Tactical models are better.
Expert, Elite, and Match models even better (and when you work one of these, the result to me anyway, is a near perfect and ultra reliable handgun...by comparison, the only Sigs that come close to meeting that criteria are the German and Swiss models, especially the X5 and X6 models)
I'm surprised the Sigs you are issued are not replaced sooner than 30k-40k rds. (220 and 226 models, correct?)
Obviously any handgun can fail, but I have yet to see a high round count no failure late model Sig while there are hundreds of examples of HKs, Glocks, Walthers, and Berettas.
Maybe I've had bad luck, but I've had many issues and failures with Exeter Sigs, and I refuse to waste my time with them. I gave up on them several years ago. I'm definitely not alone in this opinion as I see more complaints about Sigs than most other gun manufacturers that still ride on their prior quality which is long gone.

Ours are American-made P229's in .357SIG. They have proven to be ultra-reliable for us. Out of the 4 handguns that I "took the distance" (38,500-40,000 rounds) I only had 2 instances of parts breakage: a decocking lever spring (nothing that would stop a gun in a fight) and an extractor (fight stopper!). We had several extractors break around the same time, SIG must have had some parts that weren't heat-treated correctly. That was about 4 years ago and we haven't had a single extractor break since then.

We have a rigorous maintenance program. Our P229's have the springs replaced at factory recommended intervals and we inspect them twice a year for any other issues.

When I was our lead Firearms Instructor, I was shooting my P229 several days a week. I would go thousands of rounds between cleaning, except to brush off the breech face and run a boresnake down the bore to clean the chamber. Once I cleaned the entire gun with nothing but a Hilco weapon wipe, leaving the residue left by the wipe for lube. Ran another 5,000 rounds with no issues before cleaning it again. Only cleaned it at that point because I had to fly with it.......didn't wanna go to work with a duty gun.

My previous guns that were exchanged at 40,000 rounds were still going strong. Still reliable and accurate enough to shoot perfect scores. The only things that showed their age were the finish wear, especially on the slide; light gray with silver edges.

Interesting. I've never heard of this mass SIG complaint phenomenon. I see just about every handgun manfucaturer come through my shooting school, I'm not seeing the SIG's fail at all, and they all exhibit stellar accuracy.

I spent all day on the range yesterday with about 30 LEO's shooting mainly P229's, with a few P239's. Again, no issues.

Never heard of 20,000 rounds of Russian steel-cased ammo fired without a single misfire. I've participated in official tests of Russian steel-cased ammo out of numerous firearms, in several calibers. Inert primers are a given with this ammo, regardless of what kind of firearm you are using it in.
 
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Ours are American-made P229's in .357SIG. They have proven to be ultra-reliable for us. Out of the 4 handguns that I "took the distance" (38,500-40,000 rounds) I only had 2 instances of parts breakage: a decocking lever spring (nothing that would stop a gun in a fight) and an extractor (fight stopper!). We had several extractors break around the same time, SIG must have had some parts that weren't heat-treated correctly. That was about 4 years ago and we haven't had a single extractor break since then.

We have a rigorous maintenance program. Our P229's have the springs replaced at factory recommended intervals and we inspect them twice a year for any other issues.

When I was our lead Firearms Instructor, I was shooting my P229 several days a week. I would go thousands of rounds between cleaning, except to brush off the breech face and run a boresnake down the bore to clean the chamber. Once I cleaned the entire gun with nothing but a Hilco weapon wipe, leaving the residue left by the wipe for lube. Ran another 5,000 rounds with no issues before cleaning it again. Only cleaned it at that point because I had to fly with it.......didn't wanna go to work with a duty gun.

My previous guns that were exchanged at 40,000 rounds were still going strong. Still reliable and accurate enough to shoot perfect scores. The only things that showed their age were the finish wear, especially on the slide; light gray with silver edges.

Interesting. I've never heard of this mass SIG complaint phenomenon. I see just about every handgun manfucaturer come through my shooting school, I'm not seeing the SIG's fail at all, and they all exhibit stellar accuracy.

I spent all day on the range yesterday with about 30 LEO's shooting mainly P229's, with a few P239's. Again, no issues.

Never heard of 20,000 rounds of Russian steel-cased ammo fired without a single misfire. I've participated in official tests of Russian steel-cased ammo out of numerous firearms, in several calibers. Inert primers are a given with this ammo, regardless of what kind of firearm you are using it in.
Good to hear you had good results with your particular Sigs. The .357sig models due to their bottleneck cases are more reliable by default, regardless of gun manufacturer. I have several USP Compact .357sig models and 1 in particular has over 60k rds on 100% original internals (springs included) and it has been 100% reliable.
Regarding the Russian steel case ammo regardless of caliber, I've deduced (based on my experience) that light primer strikes are the majority of the issue and not inert primers. That's a trait that some guns exhibit.
Inert primers rarely happen with quality factory loads.
I have yet to replace any broken parts on any of my HKs. Springs eventually get weak, sure, but no broken parts and they still function reliably.
I don't claim to hold any official records, but I have been very satisfied with my HKs. No other manufacturer has been close, maybe Glock is a distant 2nd. Sigs? You can have them!
 

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High quality initially costs more, but it's a bargain by comparison when you shoot 20-40x the value in ammo without any down time.
Time is much more valuable.
 

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Good to hear you had good results with your particular Sigs. The .357sig models due to their bottleneck cases are more reliable by default, regardless of gun manufacturer. I have several USP Compact .357sig models and 1 in particular has over 60k rds on 100% original internals (springs included) and it has been 100% reliable.
Regarding the Russian steel case ammo regardless of caliber, I've deduced (based on my experience) that light primer strikes are the majority of the issue and not inert primers. That's a trait that some guns exhibit.
Inert primers rarely happen with quality factory loads.
I have yet to replace any broken parts on any of my HKs. Springs eventually get weak, sure, but no broken parts and they still function reliably.
I don't claim to hold any official records, but I have been very satisfied with my HKs. No other manufacturer has been close, maybe Glock is a distant 2nd. Sigs? You can have them!

I am calling shenanigans. Again, let's see some pics of the inside of that HK.

I'm betting that the inside of that gun still looks brand new just like the outside does.